Ira Glass -- host of This American Life, creator of Serial, -- used our show as his prime example in "." And then he called the kind of failure that we aim for many days of each week "where you'll find the future."
We want to know more about all that stuff.
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Colin McEnroe, Greg Hill, and Chion Wolf contributed to this show, which originally aired on October 27, 2016.
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