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Yale fascism expert weighs in on Musk salute and fascism's rise

Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk gestures as he speaks during the inaugural parade inside Capitol One Arena, in Washington, DC, on January 20, 2025.
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Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk gestures as he speaks during the inaugural parade inside Capitol One Arena, in Washington, DC, on January 20, 2025.

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At Donald Trumps inauguration as the 47th president of the United States, tech billionaire in a gesture many interpreted as a . Musk dismissed the criticism as hyperbole. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) downplayed the gestures as Others have connected the gestures to his subsequent statement that Yale philosophy professor said any resemblance to a Nazi salute by Musk was no accident.

He intentionally did this, Stanley said, referring to Musk's gesture.

Stanley, the author of the new book "," argues that Musks actions and the subsequent reactions underscore a troubling dynamic in modern politics.

My suspicion is that hes trolling, Stanley said. The idea is, lets get liberals into a kerfuffle about whether or not were fascists or Ku Klux Klan members or whatever, and then we can laugh at them while they flail around.

But Stanley insists such gestures are more than mere provocations.

When you troll with these ideologies, when you play around with this ideology in a mocking way in order to own the libs, youre also giving this ideology public attention, he explained.

This normalization, he warned, feeds into a broader pattern where fascist ideologies are deliberately smuggled into mainstream discourse, often cloaked in irony or deflection.

The fascist playbook

Stanley draws on history to identify alarming parallels between Trumps movement and . Asked whether Trump and his allies are following a fascist playbook, Stanley didnt hesitate.

Oh my God, yeah, he said, pointing first to the ongoing effort to rewrite the history of Jan. 6, 2021. Theyre going to try to make it into a great patriotic event. I wouldnt be surprised if down the road, they try to make it into some kind of national holiday.

Stanley also criticized the Trump administrations attack on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives.

Theres an attempt to wipe clean the equality of Black perspectives, of LGBTQ perspectives. Any time Black people in positions of power are outspoken, theyre accused of being DEI hires, he noted. The claim that equality is discrimination seems to be a very major part of this administration.

Stanley added that the ongoing push to outlaw what have been labeled divisive concepts in schools such as lessons on further reflects fascist ambitions to control public memory.

"The redlining of mortgages happened, Stanley said. But if you teach it in universities or high schools,

Perhaps most concerning to Stanley is that education should serve as a tool for instilling patriotism.

[Trump said] the purpose of education is to make people regard that the nation is great, Stanley paraphrased. This is straight fascism.

Democracy on the brink

Stanleys study of authoritarianism leaves him pessimistic about democracys future.

Democracy is fleeting. It hasnt existed long, he said. He noted that political philosophy dating back to .

In democratic elections, authoritarian strongmen will always win, he said. So democracy is very fragile.

Globally, Stanley sees troubling signs. What were seeing is a, he explained, citing fear of immigrants and LGBTQ+ citizens as common tools for rallying authoritarian support. We face a moment where democracy might be something in the past.

A glimmer of hope

Despite his grim analysis, Stanley sees reasons for cautious optimism. He points to the United States history of overcoming through as proof that even deeply entrenched systems of oppression can be challenged.

If we think of Jim Crow as a fascist regime, which many do, we live in a country where we defeated fascism in a non-violent way, he said.

Stanley also highlighted Ukraines fight against Russian authoritarianism as an example of democratic resilience.

Some people, depending on the spirit of their country, get sick of losing the capacity to replace leaders, he said. The history of the United States, to me, suggests that were one such country.

Ultimately, Stanley believes the future depends on collective action.

It depends on us, he concluded.

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